Eric Raymond Blog - Small community scripting languages

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Eric Raymond Blog - Small community scripting languages

Postby Tim Johnson » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:43 pm

I just came across the thread about the Eric Raymond blog. Since it dates back to June 2014 - I thought I would start another one. I found blog very interesting, with the some smug pushback, but not nearly as virulent as pushback I've seen on Common Lisp venues years past.

I would note that at one time I wrote a emacs major mode for newlisp. (Don't know what became of it, will look for the code) I also wrote a content management application for my (non-newlisp) CGI projects. Not sure where that one went either ...

Autolisp was my first scripting (as opposed to compiled) language (early 90's). Rebol was my first general-purpose scripting language. I did a lot of work in that at one time, but rebol is in a semi-mothballed state, although I still maintain my invoicing system of some complexity using the rebol 2.

Rebol 3 and the red fork are still under some degree of development.

I'm glad to see that newlisp still keeps on keepin' on.

I would appreciate if folks reading this could share what they are doing in newlisp.
Cheers
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Re: Eric Raymond Blog - Small community scripting languages

Postby TedWalther » Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:39 am

Nice to meet you. Just last night I used newlisp to process GIS elevation data and create maps. Why? I used the elevation data to find the least expensive path for digging a canal between two large bodies of water. Will it ever be used? Probably not. But it is fascinating; having this data in a visual form let me understand why certain design choices were made by the engineers in this canal project. And thanks to newlisp, I was able to bang this out in a day or two, instead of weeks and months.

Personal empowerment! (Google Med-Dead and Red-Dead canals)
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Re: Eric Raymond Blog - Small community scripting languages

Postby ralph.ronnquist » Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:19 am

G'day mate. I stumbled onto newLISP around the time of that blog, but for a different reason, and I was immediately taken by it. Newlisp has since found its way into several key places in software I'm involved in. One of the more interesting places is as text processing filter for http://www.realsam.com.au. Here it runs as an on-demand sub process on Android handsets, for translating any arbitrary epub book into its chapter structure and TTS rendered text. The key of course is that epub books are all different, and basically just plain html, with markup mostly used for visual reasons in different ways at different times by different people. So it's a matter of tentatively applying a range of alternative filtering methods, to find one that presents the book adequately for a blind person. In this case, the newlisp solution replaces a Java solution by being slimmer, faster and or more flexible.
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Re: Eric Raymond Blog - Small community scripting languages

Postby HPW » Sun Mar 01, 2015 1:48 pm

Hello,

As a fulltime-Autolisp developer I run across newlisp through a search after a compatible general purpose language outside of AutoCAD. In newlisp I found a way to reuse a large Autolisp-code base.
Embedding newlisp into neobook/Delphi apps allows me to build standalone-product configurators and other tools.

Currently I am very interested in the new platform support through newlisp in a browser(JavaScript).
Resulting in newlisp on mobile!

Regards
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Re: Eric Raymond Blog - Small community scripting languages

Postby Tim Johnson » Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:59 am

Good to hear from everyone.

Surprising tidbit about autolisp!

Bye the way, I have not got any notifications about replies to this thread.
I have checked "Notify me when a reply is posted" under options.
Email address as stored in my User Control Panel is current.
Is there anything else that I need to configure?

thanks
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Re: Eric Raymond Blog - Small community scripting languages

Postby Ryon » Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:24 pm

Seems simple enough, enter your email address in the Control Panel, check the Notify Me box, and things should work! I've verified that you did this correctly and also ran a check on our mail server, and everything seems to be in order. So, why isn't this working?

This seems to have been a common issue with phpBB forum software for the past several years, and I don't see any consensus among the admins or support as to its cause. I don't want to change any code or DB settings until I understand the problem.

There is a setting in the UCP > Board Preferences > Edit Posting Results that enables replies by default. If you don't mind getting replies on all your posts, maybe this will work for you. You must be subscribed to the topic/forum before the emails will be sent, and you will only get one email per new post until you visit the topic, no matter how may replies are made.

Thanks for your participation here, Tim, and hope this helps!
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Re: Eric Raymond Blog - Small community scripting languages

Postby Tim Johnson » Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:01 pm

Thanks Ryon, I'll follow your instructions. Also, could you tell me what the exact email address of the notification is?
I may very well have a filter that is catching it in error and rerouting it.
Edited : I checked the default settings for Edit Posting Results and replies were enabled by
default. Even tho' I made no changes, I did do a Save... Next thing to check is whether my filter
are rerouting replies based on the sender email address.

Ryon wrote:Seems simple enough, enter your email address in the Control Panel, check the Notify Me box, and things should work! I've verified that you did this correctly and also ran a check on our mail server, and everything seems to be in order. So, why isn't this working?

This seems to have been a common issue with phpBB forum software for the past several years, and I don't see any consensus among the admins or support as to its cause. I don't want to change any code or DB settings until I understand the problem.

There is a setting in the UCP > Board Preferences > Edit Posting Results that enables replies by default. If you don't mind getting replies on all your posts, maybe this will work for you. You must be subscribed to the topic/forum before the emails will be sent, and you will only get one email per new post until you visit the topic, no matter how may replies are made.

Thanks for your participation here, Tim, and hope this helps!
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Re: Eric Raymond Blog - Small community scripting languages

Postby Ryon » Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:33 pm

Mail is sent from newlispfanclub at alh dot net, to the address in your Control Panel > Profile > Edit Account Settings page.
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Re: Eric Raymond Blog - Small community scripting languages

Postby Tim Johnson » Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:20 pm

Ryon wrote:Mail is sent from newlispfanclub at alh dot net, to the address in your Control Panel > Profile > Edit Account Settings page.

Understood. Apparently it was not my filter, just Saveing the default settings has resulted my receipt of notifications .... thanks
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