Development release newLISP v.10.7.4

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Development release newLISP v.10.7.4

Postby Lutz » Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:47 pm

Several bug fixes and small enhancements in the new development release here:
http://www.newlisp.org/downloads/development/

For details of bug fixes and enhancements see:
http://www.newlisp.org/downloads/develo ... lease.html
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Re: Development release newLISP v.10.7.4

Postby gekkonier » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:16 am

Hi Lutz!
Thank you!

For the http://www.newlisp.org/downloads/develo ... NSTALL.txt
it would be great if you mention the usage of environment variables, I think it could help to use newLisp without any installer on Windows.

The next thing I would like to mention (not suitable maybe):
The Java Editor (and the guiserver at all) seems a bit dated. I would recommend to get rid of it.

Folks need a working editor support to get attracted. Some people are a bit turned of by the actual situation.
Take a look here: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=4956

I recommend to get rid of guiserver and the old editor and instead consider to concentrate on an editor thats wideley used. I for myself use newLisp with Emacs (I use the newLisp mode here: https://github.com/kosh04/newlisp-mode) which works great but can also be a nogo for a lot of people.
I'm learning how to write Visual Studio Code extensions, maybe that's a good way to go?
Anyway: An editor support that is widely usable without headache is crucial for broader adoption.

And: I love newLisp, it's such a productive scripting language! Thank you for working on that beauty!
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Re: Development release newLISP v.10.7.4

Postby Lutz » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:53 pm

Thanks for the suggestions.

The Java Editor GUI environment is on the way out and not included anymore in the newlisp-10.7.4.tgz source distribution but packaged extra in guiserver-1.67.tgz .

The following has been added in INSTALL.txt for editor support and info about the environment variable NEWLISPDIR:

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Editor support
--------------

For support for VI, Emacs and other editors on the 'Links' page here:
    http://www.newlisp.org/index.cgi?Code_Contributions


Environment variable NEWLISPDIR
-------------------------------

See in the main manual here:
    http://www.newlisp.org/downloads/newlisp_manual.html#environment

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Re: Development release newLISP v.10.7.4

Postby HPW » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:30 pm

Hello Lutz,

Thanks for the ongoing development.

Will you provide an Win-installer for the new Releases as before?
And a sub-Directory for Win32-Utf8 with exe+dll ?
And a newlisp-js release?

By the way: We stll have the optional TclTk Editor. ;-)

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Re: Development release newLISP v.10.7.4

Postby johu » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:13 pm

Hello, Lutz.

I finished the translation of manual v.10.7.4

newlisp_manual-10704

There is in here.

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Re: Development release newLISP v.10.7.4

Postby gekkonier » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:33 am

HPW wrote:Hello Lutz,
By the way: We stll have the optional TclTk Editor. ;-)

Regards
Hans-Peter


Hello Hans-Peter,
I'm very intereted in the TclTk Editor.
Can you tell me (because I have Tomaten auf den Augen) where I can find it? I'm very curious and would like to dig it.
Thank you, Gregor
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Re: Development release newLISP v.10.7.4

Postby HPW » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:15 pm

Hallo Gregor,

I am not sure if I had posted a link to my latest Version of the TclTk Editor.
I had tested it again each newlisp-version in the past.
I will check in the evening for a download-Option and will post it here.

Keine Tomaten auf den Augen. Bin mir nicht sicher einen Link hier gepostet zu haben.
Habe bislang alle NewLisp-Versionen mit dem Front-End getestet.
Auch die alten Demos laufen immer noch.
Werde heute abend mal schauen das ich etwas online bekomme.

Edit: Was here on the Forum:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4863&p=23898&hilit=tcltk#p23898

Grüsse,
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Re: Development release newLISP v.10.7.4

Postby Lutz » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:39 pm

to johu
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Thanks for the updated Japanese translation of the manual. Its added here:
http://newlisp.nfshost.com/downloads/de ... al-jp.html
and will be moved to the usual place for the stable release.


to HPW
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Without the GUI server, installation will be easy without an installer program, as only a newLISP executable is required and whatever modules are needed. Files to copy are indicated in the INSTALL.txt.

Coming release will not include the outdated Java based Guiserver, but it will be linked from the 'Links' page in a new chapter "GUI development environments". There I could also link an the updated TclTK based development environment. Can you post a direct link to it? Could not find it.

For the browser based newlisp-js, I would depend on somebody else to supply it. Same is true for updates to guiserver-1.67.tgz. After several updated releases of the Java SDK, and Java run-time environment, code has become outdated with problems mainly on macOS and in the area of UTF-8 character encoding. Any new development environment should be UTF-8 able by default and work well alike on macOS, Windows and Linux.
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Re: Development release newLISP v.10.7.4

Postby HPW » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:10 pm

Hello Lutz,

>>Files to copy are indicated in the INSTALL.txt.

But there are only the win64 Versions mentioned.
Will you provide Win32 and Win32-Utf8 versions of the exe+dll to download.
I havent currently not installed the toolchain to compile newlisp myself.

>>There I could also link an the updated TclTK based development environment. Can you post a direct link to it? Could not find it.

The link was in the thread mentioned above but the forum shorten the display:
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http://www.hpwsoft.de/anmeldung/html1/newLISP/newlisptk_85.zip


>> I would depend on somebody else to supply it

Do you think the js-platform is not worth to support it further?
Or is it a matter of workload?
Should we ask Ferry(fdb) if he can support the js and web-assembly Version?

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Re: Development release newLISP v.10.7.4

Postby Lutz » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:45 pm

If somebody needs Win32 i can be done, but looking at current download logs it is very rare. But 32-bit will always be an available flavor to compile, as needed in many embedded systems.

But executables for laptops and desktops, don't you think Win64 is enough? What do others in the forum think of this issue?

Yes, I am trying to cut down on workload. E.g. The current Emscripten version 1.38.12 does not produce a working version for me and I just don't have the time to dig into it.

If Ferry can help that would be great.

ps: added the TclTK GUI here: http://www.newlisp.org/index.cgi?Code_Contributions
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Re: Development release newLISP v.10.7.4

Postby HPW » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:17 pm

Hello Lutz,

.. but looking at current download logs it is very rare

Which downloads are Win32 only?
Your last complete installer was a win32 Version. Right?
And Win32 version runs fine on every Win64 Windows System.
And the win32 dll is compatible to many programming enviroments.
So isn't it possible to set up a toolchain which compiles all wanted version in one run and provide the different Downloads in a separate Folder?

So my vote for 4 binary Folders:
Win32
Win32-UTF8
Win64
Win64-UTF8

Of cource only speaking for win os.

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Re: Development release newLISP v.10.7.4

Postby Lutz » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:04 pm

Added Win32 and Win32-UTF8 directories in http://newlisp.org/downloads/development/
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Re: Development release newLISP v.10.7.4

Postby HPW » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:09 am

Hello Lutz,

Thanks for the Win32 binarys.

I have successfull tested them against neobook plugin and TclTK frontend.

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Re: Development release newLISP v.10.7.4

Postby johu » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:46 am

Hello Lutz,

I am sorry, the display of my update might have included a delay.

Now, you might be able to see "newlisp_manual-10704.zip".

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Re: Development release newLISP v.10.7.4

Postby Lutz » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:57 pm

Thanks Johu, now updated to the right version:

http://newlisp.com/downloads/developmen ... al-jp.html
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